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In Episode 89, Be a Light Post for People, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Robin, executive well-being coach, corporate well-being speaker, chiropractic physician, author, and advocate for generational & community well-being.

Michelle shares how she stays curious with life as she leads her community and gives guidance and connections to those around her. She highlights the importance of having a more vibrant, healthy lifestyle so you can show up for those around you. 

Hey listeners, it’s Jen Vellenga. This is the Speak with Presence podcast, and on today’s episode, we interviewed Dr. Michelle Robin in the Kansas City metro area. She is very well known as a connector and I’ll say a chiropractor. But her big thing is being a wellness guide for so many people in the city.

I love how she talks about showing up, being a go-giver, doing one-on-ones, connecting with other people in person. And finally, and maybe my favorite is that you celebrate each other. I know you’re going to love this episode. Here’s episode 89 with Dr. Michelle Robin. 

It’s hard to be present when you have a headache or you have a belly ache or you’re not sleeping. And so I have to work on my own presence, which means I work on all those areas so that I can show up. I’m really just trying to be well for myself, and I want to be able to create a ripple of positive energy wherever I go. 

Welcome to the Speak with Presence podcast. I’m Jen Vellenga. And I’m Jennifer Rettele-Thomas.  On this podcast, we believe perfection is overrated, leaders listen, and we all speak up to influence change. Today we are recording at Real Media Kansas City with Dr. Michelle Robin. She’s a chiropractic physician, executive wellbeing coach, a speaker, and an author. Not only that, but she’s the host of the Small Changes, Big Shifts podcast, where she shares messages of hope to help listeners build rhythm and resilience. And JRT, she’s got almost 500 episodes.  And she’s a huge advocate for generational and community wellbeing.

Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Michelle. Well, I’ve not heard your formal names like that in a long time. JRT and Jen V. Thank you. It’s great to be hanging out with you. Bring it back. We’re very official. Alright. I’m not sure I can remember all that. So I’m going to go with Jen V and JRT. Good job. Good job. Well, I mean, there’s so many things I think of how we were connected to you.  And then realized, as Jen just said, you are just a master connector. I mean, you just have this beautiful presence when you come in the room and this ability to  feel people’s, I’m going to say, feel people’s energy and understand who they are.

And I have watched you work in these rooms where it’s just like, you and you, across separate ends of the space and they’re looking at each other going, huh.  I’m just telling you, you and you need to connect. Just trust me. And everyone says, Dr. Michelle just said we needed to know each other.  And everybody just goes and that is a beautiful gift and a beautiful gift that you give to everybody that’s in your presence.

Well, just a question because maybe I need to relook my process. I’ve connected you gals with a few people. Have they been good connections? They’ve been awesome. They have. Have I made a miss hit? No, not yet. I won’t mention those names. We can talk about that afterwards, but they are moving forward.

Good, good. You know, I think it’s interesting.  I would say, I mean, this whole networking thing kind of, it doesn’t rub me wrong. Alana, I love you, Alana, and she uses the word networking a lot. I really think it’s relationship building and when you kind of know where people are coming from and in my life, I get to know a lot about people pretty fast because I’m used to inquiring and being curious and if I’m curious about where you’re trying to go, Jen V, and I see JRT over here, I’m like, oh, this is an easy match.

They just don’t know it yet.  Quite frankly, I don’t take the time that some people would suggest you do. I love LinkedIn, and so I was with somebody, went for a walk on some day, and I said, oh, this is, they said, I think they actually invited me for a walk because they needed some connections.

Well, who do you know at Boys and Girls Club, and who do you know here? And I’m like, I know this person, and I know this person, and would you like me to connect you?  So I just went to LinkedIn and said, hey, you guys should know each other. Take it from here.  And so, I’m glad people trust that, but I’m very intentional.

I’m also pretty connected if it’s going to be a good fit. I don’t try to get bad fits. Well, just yesterday, you don’t know this, I was randomly sitting with someone, and this person  doesn’t really  know me from Adam, right? Like, I’m just a human. Or Eve. Or Eve.  You guys are witty. You’re a witty group here today.

And I, out of, I’m not kidding you. She looked at me and she says, do you by chance know Michelle Robin? And my teeth almost fell out. And I was like, where did that just come from? And I go, well, by chance I do. And I was like, I’m actually going to see her tomorrow. And she was like, she proceeded to share how somebody made a connection and you made a connection for her and she ended up landing a job with that organization. Wow. Through that connection. So, it’s just really cool and I think what you said is it’s all about relationships but I think it’s about why people appreciate it. I mean, there’s a lot of things that Jen and I could be a part of here in Kansas City and I think sometimes it comes to, oh, this doesn’t feel like the right thing or, if it feels like forced networking, right?

But when you go up to somebody and you totally feel like you could help them out, like people feel your energy, like it’s an authentic relationship where you’re just trying to help them. And that’s how you show up. And I think that’s what people absolutely know of you. And I think that’s what people strive for. Though, and you build those type of environments that people want to be a part of.  Well, you know, speaking of speak with presence, um, I believe part of it is being able to be present and it’s hard to be present when you have a headache or you have a bellyache or you’re not sleeping. And so I have to work on my own presence, which means I work on all those areas so that I can show up and it’s one of my core tendencies, you know, you mentioned the wellness consortium and we have four tenets show up, be a go-giver, celebrate each other and do one on ones.

So wait, say those again, slower. I want to hear them again. Okay. Four tenets show up, go giver, celebrate each other. So thank you for celebrating me and my work today. And then, do one on ones. And so when you get to know somebody’s soul and energy, and it can be a one on two or one on three, but you really get to know if they’re your people.

And the cool thing is there’s so many people that are my people, and I just want my people to know my other people so that we can make this world a better place so some of the nonsense can stop.  I love that. I love that so much.

So, Dr. Michelle, we were recently at your community event for wellness providers.  It was called Experience OLA. There is this movement towards more healthy living, I think, especially post pandemic. So, what are you seeing in your practice as a holistic health practitioner? I know you come by it by way of chiropractic work, but you’re a holistic health. Is that accurate?

Yeah, I would say that’s very accurate. And you know, it’s interesting.  I’m really just trying to be well for myself and I want to be able to create a ripple of positive energy wherever I go. You know, I’ve got this quote that’s kind of like be, when you walk out of your house, like be a lamp, be a light post.

There’s a lot of pain in the world. And then there’s a lot of suffering. And in medicine, the word patient means one who suffers. Yeah.  And so we have a lot of patients in the world suffering right now, and we like to call our people clients because we have some people that aren’t suffering. They just have realized this is a way of life.

And for me, after 40, gosh, 40 plus years of being in chiropractic medicine, and it’s not just about the adjustment. Chiropractic really started out based on three tenets. The body’s sick because of three reasons, thoughts, traumas, and toxins. And so how do we help people have better better thoughts?

How do we help people heal from traumas? Whether it is a physical trauma, an emotional trauma, it could be a chemical trauma like COVID. I would call that a chemical trauma and also a toxicity. And then the way we are taking care of our body, you know. Here’s an example. A guy reached out to me about a year and a half ago.  It’s really a fresh story in my mind. Reached out to me a year and a half ago, referred by somebody, right? Connecting. And he wasn’t, he kind of was a little bit standoffish. I’m like, you called me, right? And so,  he texted me out of the blue this week and said, hey, I think I’m really ready to come talk to you.

I really need to see somebody like you. And I’m like, what does that mean? Like me, you know, just kidding. So, I see him and we’re talking about his journey and people are so complex, but yet they’re so simple.  And so, for me, I think I’m just curious. I’m curious about, like I said, I’m curious about what makes my mind work better.

I’m curious about what makes me sleep better. I’m curious about what makes me show up better, what makes me have more positive thoughts. And so, I have to work at it every day. I’m always, I think people would be shocked at what I have to do as a community leader, as a human being. I like to call myself as a guide. I really don’t like the word doctor. I like the word “guide.” I’m here to give you guidance on what resources could help you have a more vibrant, healthy life so that you can show up and be more present for yourself and for people around you.

And so that was my conversation with him. I actually didn’t even lay my hands on him, which is shocking after he left because we spent about an hour talking about what’s going on with him. And I just immediately saw things start dropping in, okay, well actually this would be the best doctor for you. This medical doctor for you and here’s, okay, send me that. Let’s look at the whole picture.  So it is my own curiosity for me staying well, I just share that with other people. 

Again, you were connecting him to all the connections that you have to see who was best. Now, would it be intrusive if I asked you, Dr. Michelle, guide, guide Michelle, to know what your wellness routine is daily or weekly?

No, I’m happy to share that. So, I’m in the midst of recreating it right now. I have a birthday coming up and I kind of want to create a new, I like to call it a wellness plan. And, so I’m in the midst of creating it. It’d be fun if you saw my desk. You see the notes I’m writing, but the model that we use is called the quadrants of wellbeing.

And, you know, my undergrad is in accounting from Washburn. I know you’re K-Staters, but I’m an Ichabod. And, in that model, we talk about mechanical health, chemical, energetic, psycho spiritual. So, to our listeners and leaders who are running businesses or part of a leadership team, there’s people that are in charge of the vision.

That’s the guide. I’m in charge of the vision for your wellbeing. I also help you know that it’s possible. And then you have the mechanicals kind of operations, and you have the chemical, which to me is marketing, and then you got the finance, which is kind of, you know, energetical, then you got psycho spiritual leadership.

And if you’re not working on all four areas, you can’t be as healthy as you’re designed to be. We’re designed to be healthy.  We just have interferences. And some of those interferences come from genetics. Some come from the food we’re eating. Some come from the thoughts we’re having in that combination.

So that is a long way saying, so I have four different areas I’m working on. You know, of course, mechanical is some things, you know, I get adjusted, I get massaged. I’m actually, doing a 16, I do a 16-minute workout or a 7-minute workout or I play pickleball or I go for a walk. So how do you get motion every day because motion is lotion.

If you lose motion, you lose function.  And then the chemical side, I’m actually playing with keto green right now. For me, stuff drops in my lap a lot as far as, oh, you should try this. You should try this supplement. You should try this magic thing. I’m like, okay, whatever. I’m a huge skeptic, really a huge skeptic.

What has always resonated with me is that the more live food I eat, the more alive I’m going to feel.  And so, I’ve been kind of thinking about this whole thing, keto green. And when you think about keto, a lot of protein and a lot of fat. Okay, and I’m like, oh, that never really sounded right to me.

And so, I actually had written down the word keto green a couple weeks ago and put it on my desk on a stick-um. My home desk. And then a client comes in to see me and they say, I said, gosh, what are you doing? I know we both have birthdays coming up and she’s like, well, I’m doing this, this keto green. It really makes sense to me.

I’m listening to this doctor and just talking about all the hormones and I’m finally getting it. And I’ve been on this journey with her for 15, 18 years. What I love about my job.  It’s not even a job. What I love about where I get to go most days is that I have long term relationships with a lot of people, LTRs, right?

And so she was raving about this book and I’m like, you know what? I’ve got that note on my desk. So Sunday, this is on Saturday. So Sunday, I download the book or I get go to Spotify because Spotify has free audio books if you’re a Spotify member. So, chemical quadrant, I just try to get more live food.

So I’m actually toying with Keto Green right now. I’m not doing it completely. I’m in the toying phase. Starting with the book. Starting, I’ve already listened to the book. I listened to that in one day. I was listening, I’m a pretty good listener. And I also skipped some things I already knew.

But just so you know, just give me the good stuff. And then, I’ve just got new blood work.  And so I’m off all my vitamins right now, and I’m getting ready to start a new regimen. And I have an appointment with my functional medicine doctor, Dr. Nab, next week. And she will be able to go over that, and then she also is a kinesiologist, so she’ll muscle test me, so I’m not taking 30 supplements.

And people always are shocked, as a wellness provider, that I don’t have a laundry list I’m taking. I’m very methodical, so she knows my genetics. She’s watched my blood work the last five years, because I’ve had my blood work since I was 22. So, and I’m a lot older than that, and so I watch my trends.

So that’s kind of chemical, and there’s way more than that. And then energetical. You know, getting acupuncture, and I tend to kind of go more to massage. Even though I love acupuncture, and my spirit said, no, this year you’re going to focus on more acupuncture. Just slow down, take the time. It’s not quite as convenient because I get a massage on a Sunday night at 5. You know what I mean? So you’ve got to kind of play with the other boundaries, the acupunctures. They’re not as easy to come by as massage therapists. Um, take an Epsom salt soak.  I’m actually doing something called a medical rebuilder where I put my feet in some water with some electrolytes with some certain machine I use to help my brain.

You may know, uh, may not know I had a bad, I got into a bad bike accident in 2015, broke several bones, got a concussion, and remember thoughts, traumas, and toxins. I think the greatest thing that we ignore is our brain.  And so I’m really spending the rest of my life focusing on my brain health, and this helps treat my brain.

And then psycho spiritual. I listen to meditations a lot. I have a prayer sheet that I created. I’m a spiritual mutt, did not grow up in a church, grew up in many churches. So I have some different prayers or affirmations that I say. It’s a long-winded question. So, it’s a lot. I do a lot to stay well.

No, it’s good to know. I mean, as you, it takes a lot of work. And you have to put it in your schedule, which we’ve been pretty mediocre to good at putting things in our schedule lately and making sure that we have time as business owners to take what we need in terms of our own health and our brains.

Well, there’s a saying, “you either make time or your body will make time for you. Mm-Hmm, it’s usually in the wrong way. Yeah. And, and, or, or you. Or you. You pay, you pay as you go. Your body’s into a big bill later.  And so it’s just an investment. And I don’t know about you, but the thought of being sick, does not sound fun to me.

Does that sound fun? No, it doesn’t. Yeah. So, anyhow, I do a lot, but it’s also, I have micro habits. Like a simple micro habit is to stand on one foot while you’re brushing your teeth  and work on your balance. So the morning I do the left, the evening I do the right.  In the shower I may do a mouth massage, I may do a nasal rinse, I may gargle. Gargle’s good for the brain. I may do some oil pulling.  I got about 200 tips.

 Well, I’m going to just brag a little bit here and tell you, I don’t know if you know this, JRT. I don’t think I do. So, my son gave me one of the very fancy Stanley water, 40 ounce Stanley water cups for Christmas. I didn’t know it was a big thing. I was like, oh, thank you for the water bottle.  And he’s like, Mom, do you know everyone’s in line for these things? And I was like, oh, I didn’t know that. But anyway, so 40 ounces and I’ve been very good about drinking a couple of those a day, but it takes forever to fill that up at your refrigerator water thing. So when I’m sitting there, when I’m standing there filling it up, I do a little ballet moves from the old days and I stand on one leg and I swing it back and forth and I do some plies and I am doing micro habits. You are doing micro habits, or micro habit stacking. Habit stacking? Oh, because I’m doing the water, too. The water and the balance and swinging my legs.

JRT, I think you should try it. Yeah, I’m going to try that.  What if I come up with my own moves. We’re not doing ballet. We did yoga once together, remember?  How about we do squatting? Squatting’s good. Squatting’s good. Balance on one foot is good. Squatting is good. Jumping jacks? It’s hard to do jumping jacks while you’re holding water. While you’re filling your water. Yeah. Water everywhere.  That’s great.

Well, I mean, like you said, you can believe, and I remember this as in my 20s and even in my early 30s, looking at other women. That were either my mentors or people that I looked up to, right? And maybe things were happening or you’d hear them say, oh, I’ve got high blood pressure or I’ve got X, Y, Z going on. And I was like, psstt, not gonna happen to me. Nope, I am a rock. Nope, you know, but as you said, it catches up, and your body will stop, and it will shut down on you if you do not take care of it.  So it is important, as hard as it is, especially for working professionals, to find, to make time  for, to take care of ourselves and heal. 

Well, it goes to generational change, right? We got to be that example. Yes. You know, what I love about wellbeing is it’s easy to get in a conversation. Because something as a kid you don’t have to ask about their own health, you know, that’s a little too personal. But I could say, hey, Jen V, you have kids? I do. I have a college age boy. And I could say, oh gosh, that sounds really exciting. Tell me, are you a little concerned about him?  Yes. Cause right now he’s in the Grand Canyon.  So but most people, most people, not everybody, they’re concerned about their children or their grandchildren.

And so it leads to a conversation about wellbeing. And maybe some micro habits or habits stacking that you can teach them. Really, once again, from my viewpoint, it’s not super hard.  It just takes time, focus, and it’s like a roller coaster. You can either do the highs and the lows, or you can say, you know what, I’m going to have some bumps.

And we’re all going to have bumps. If you’re not having bumps, you’re not living. Nope. So I want to be that example when somebody says, you know what, I’m a leader. But I want to be a leader that’s able to show up with presence because my mind’s working. Because I can remember your name, because I don’t have a back pain or I don’t have to go, I got IBS, got to go. You know, literally got to go. So that is the whole generational change. That is what drives me. It’s my purpose. It’s my calling, but I can’t encourage that if I don’t live it.

So go back for a second because I did, I was being funny about the Grand Canyon, but go down that thread a little bit further. You said, so if I can’t, if I’m not in a place to think about myself, which happens to so many women, definitely our own clients, and, but they are thinking about their kids. Then you ask, okay, so how’s your kid doing? That opens up the conversation and then you can wind back to the individual or once they put certain habits in place for their kid, they make the transference to themselves.

Take me through that path a little bit more because I took you off on my silly joke. I think both ways. Okay. It could be push and pull.  Your kids are watching you and they’re watching everything. And so it could be, gosh, let’s say my kid has anxiety and this is not true, because kids have anxiety for multiple reasons, but a lot of parents have anxiety.

And there’s that old saying, the apples don’t fall very far from the tree and it’s no judgment. But when you look at it, there’s multiple trees. You have the grandpa tree and the great grandpa tree and the great grand, great, great grandmother tree. And then the next thing you know is you have a spiritual belief, you have God, right? And so at what point do you have to take personal responsibility and say, you know what? I realize I’m an apple from a tree. Okay, I’m an apple for my mother. Okay. My mother has been sick since I was four. Okay. She taught me a lot of things not to do. But she taught me how to connect with people,  which is a great gift.  And as I have done my work because I’ve done my therapy, I’ve realized that my soul for me, you know, I’m my sole picture as my mother.

So I would be having this conversation with you for my purpose. So that conversation goes either way. So give me a lead in of something that society is concerned about with kids? Oh, mental health.  Okay. So depression.  A lot of parents are worried about mental health and depression, right? We’re actually going into mental health month coming up.

And so when you look at that, let’s dig underneath mental health. What are the causes of mental health crises? Thoughts, traumas, toxins, and to even take it just to two things, people are toxic or they’re deficient. They’re toxic in hate. Deficient in love.  They’re toxic in french fries, which is one of my favorite foods, and deficient in vegetables, okay?

They’re toxic in sitting in front of a computer all day long or playing games, deficient in movement.  And so when we uncover the mental health crisis that we are in, we’ve got to look at our own patterns that have driven our own osises.  You know, whether it’s perfectionism, workaholism, OCDism. Whatever it is, we’ve got to do the work so that we heal for our kids. And so that, when a child’s suffering, I think the question is, okay, let’s look at this from a whole perspective, and then what are some of the things that I could model for them.

It’s okay to go to therapy. It’s okay to take time to go get acupuncture. It’s okay to go for a walk. It’s okay to need. I want to tell you, it’s not a want for me.  It is a need. I have to connect to something higher else or else I’m crippled getting out of bed every day.  With my own, I’m a fear-based personality. I don’t know about you, sometimes I turn on some news, and I see what’s happening in Haiti, or I see what’s happening in Gaza, or I see what’s happening in downtown Kansas City, or in Overland Park, and I get chills telling myself, I don’t know how to get out of bed without having some type of positive pouring in. Whether it’s a book I’m listening to, a song that I’m listening to, a podcast, a prayer.  

Jen and JRT, I don’t know how the average person does it without something like that?  I mean, ignorance is bliss.  What do you think of that? Ignorance is ignorance. Mm hmm. And people just don’t know that they could have a more fulfilling life, and I think we’re in a crucial time in humanity right now.  On multiple levels that people jst don’t know that they were designed to be well. In what well looks like is having a presence. It looks like being kind. I could be kind to you and not agree with you.  Yeah. Right? I mean, as somebody that I know that you work with a lot of organizations, right? On corporate wellness and corporate wellbeing, which is phenomenal for those companies that are making that investment in their employees.

There’s a lot that’s not. And there’s a lot of companies that are not modeling the right way.  And I think that that is so heartbreaking because of the number of generations, considering we have five generations now working in the workplace and to think that that’s what’s being modeled and has an impact through an individual’s lifespan of what we think is normal. And it’s not.  And how could things be so different if we understood that at a much younger age? Which is what you’re talking about. Modeling the way for that next generation for it to be accepted. And having forgiveness.

You know, your parents did the best job they could.  So they did the best job they could and I have a choice.  And that’s when life changes. When you realize that no one’s doing it to you.  You know, maybe they’re doing it for you. And you have a choice to make a decision. I’m going to decide to get out of bed 20 minutes early and work out. I’m going to decide to listen to a meditation. I’m going to decide to reach out to a friend when I’m suffering. I’m going to decide to reach out to a friend because I’m thinking of them and they may be suffering and I don’t know it. But for some reason, I’m being dialed in to reach out.

And there are so many great leaders. I have to tell you, humanity is, we’re at a fascinating point because a lot of the negative things that are happening are getting a louder voice than all the positive.  And I may be a little bit of a Pollyanna, but I believe there’s way more good happening in this world than there is bad. And so we just have to listen to shows like this that we are talking about it and inspire leaders or inspire generations to show up differently.  Or show up. Just show up.

Right. That’s half the battle. Being there. Show up with your heart opened. I believe that is painful, to be honest at some times, because it’s easy to get shot at when your heart’s open. But it’s also, I don’t know another way to show up.  That’s amazing. Yeah, it was such a great connection we had, when we made our way to Kansas City, many, many people, including a few of our clients say, oh, you have to know Dr. Michelle. And the first time we came to your space, your beautiful space with your incredible practitioners who all have open hearts, like you speak about, we just knew it was a great place.

It has such good energy. And so it’s you are part of the heartbeat of Kansas City, clearly, because your name gets brought up all the time. And it’s just such an honor to have you here with us and be able to share some of your journey. And so when you think about how you might expand to our network, how could people find small changes, big shifts, your wellness connection.

Maybe talk about how that’s changed and grown and how people could find you.  Yeah, well, my favorite place to find me in the business world is LinkedIn. Because a couple of reasons why. You can see the conversation thread when the message is, which is really great. And you get a chance to see how you’re connected and you realize that it’s really a small world.

Others can connect with you on LinkedIn. Where else? Yeah, you can go to smallchangesbigshifts.com and you’ll be able to plug into our not-for-profit and how we’re really trying to inspire generations to make change through something called the shift experience, as well as we have an annual kindness campaign. This will be our fifth year doing that. And that’s a great way. And it’s Dr. Michelle at smallchangesbigshifts.com is probably the easiest way besides LinkedIn.  Wonderful.

I would just invite the listeners to wherever you’re at, maybe close your eyes if you’re not driving and think about in this moment, how am I feeling? Am I feeling peaceful? Am I feeling energetic? Am I feeling like I can go out and I could walk a mile or walk two miles. And if you can’t, I’d be curious why you can’t.  And start to have an inquiry, you know, date myself. Charlie’s Angels, be a private eye. And think, gosh, you know what? My belly hurts. Why does my belly hurt? Is it a thought I’m having? Is it a trauma I’ve had? Is it a toxin? Is it I’m not going to bed on time? I’m watching too much news. I’m watching too much Netflix. And so start to really be curious because I think when you start asking those questions of curiosity, you’ll start to underline you’re your own best doctor. No one will ever know your body like you do and your mind and your spirit. And so I’d invite people not to give their power away. 

And then if they need that help to find a guide.  To find a guide. Maybe multiple guides, but ideally you have one guide that helps you. Sometimes you get too many cooks in the kitchen and you’re confused.

I believe your word for the year was joy.  And I think that’s a really important thing that all of us need to remember every day when we wake up. And I think remembering those principles that you said that if some of those simple principles that you tell yourself you can’t do on each day, what is that?  What is that? Cause it is one of the greatest gifts we can give ourself.  And for, again, the listeners to know, remember, there’s a lot of people watching us.  A lot. 

Thanks for being here, Dr. Michelle. You’re so honored to be in your circle. Well, thank you. And thanks for coming to the circle and saying yes and sticking around and to all your listeners. Just find the joyful moments in the moment. Find the joy in the moment.  Ah, so good.  Alright, Jen V. That’s it. When you’re in the moment, you’re present. So that is a wrap on the Speak with Presence podcast today. We’ll be back in a couple of weeks. 

I’m Jen V with JRT. Thanks for listening to the Speak with Presence podcast.  If you or your team need to gain speaking presence or build communication skills without being perfect, I can get you there. I use actor training tools, but revamped for the professional, so don’t be nervous. Go to voicefirstworld.com/chat to book a free call. Thanks for listening.  We’ll be back next week.   

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